Growing capsicum in polyhouse - my experience

yeah, very true aman.

i had used bamboos to raise the existing carnation support, and then pulled strings at two levels for support last time. but the plants grew taller, and it became unmanageable. so now i am preparing a grid which will give support to the strings (support system for capsicum)

now lets take a case in which the wind direction at the site is east-west, so the gutters will be north-south. now if the length of the polyhouse is…say 80 mtr (north-south) so i either break the length into two pieces (for effective and even irrigation).

the point is, i have had experts come to my PH, do all sorts of drama, and tell me that the beds should be east-west, or north-south (dont really remember which). and my site being very near to the damn, i have very strong winds which generate from that area (west direction)

so in such case what should i do? should i change the layout, against the wind and take chances for the wind to blow my setup, or make the beds perpendicular to the gutter (extra drip setup cost) and then have the foundation pillars (4 mtr row) in every walkway to create movement problems, and then make additional pillars to make the support system for the capsicum?

or should i chose to make beds parallel to the gutters, so i have the foundation pillars (8 mtr row) in half the beds, and have better movement area and so that i could use the polyhouse structures top connecting pipes to use them for capsicum support system.

so i really dont buy it when people say that the beds should be east-west or north-south for better sunlight.

Vivek

nothing new to post, so revising on old topics.

Myths about Organic Farming

i have read a lot, heard a lot, that for organic certification, one needs to use ONLY self made, or naturally made extracts, use different parts/bi-products of certain crops/animals etc.

but what is the real truth? what exactly is an organic certified product?
i have applied for organic certifications from various global agencies, and i still use chemical products. does that mean i am cheating of following wrong practises? NO WAYS!!

earlier, even i was under the same impression. but day by day, as i am getting more into it, the hair on my head have started reducing.

the only fact that i know, is that most of the people out there have incomplete knowledge. on top of that, wrong messages are being communicated. so people who are interested get confused and frustrated.

i am talking on my behalf, as currently i am going thru that phase.

posting picture of a product which has artificially created/bonded molecules (so called chemicals) and is accepted and approved by top renowned organic certifying agencies in the world.

i think that farmnest team should arrange some sort of interaction for the users with experts from this field. would atleast prevent some hair on my head.

i have been chasing a certifying agency called NOCA since past 4 months, and it is really sad that NO progress has been made from their side.
i thought that it would be a organized and a professional organization, but the experience i am having with them is truly HORRIBLE.

We all need serious help with such existing systems and conditions.

Vivek

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Hello viks

I think the air movement is in that direction because the hot air rises up and gets out of the top vents, vacum is created and cold air rushes in from the sides. That creates a circular movement inside polyhouse, so if the beds are in the direction parallel to the gutter, due to the good air circulation plants remain in good health.

Please correct me if m wrong

Aman

Hey Aman,
well, it technically sounds true. that is what should happen or must be happening.
i face really poor ventilation problem in my PH. maybe its cause of the dimensions, the wind, the plants, dono what.

the side and a few patches have decent air movement, but most of the area has no air movement, maybe so less that i hardly notice.

do u have good air movement throughout your setup?

Vivek

yes vivek i do have a good air circulation in my playhouse throughout the year, one of the reason is what i explained earlier and second is i got 4 playhouses of 1000sqmt each instead of getting single playhouse of 1 acre built, because of which i have a very good air circulation in all pockets of my ph.

aman

@ vivek,

I have a situation, I have friend of mine who want to cultivate Color capsicum, and Have found a Green house with natural vent and Free water and power. Its 2 acre green house and Irrigation system is on place .

How much is a ideal cost for a green house on Rent. Its close to Bangalore say 30 KM from city.

Kindly reply.

Vertical,

Hi Vivek,
Been following this blog for a long time. Wanted to ask you a question . Is it profitable for setting up polyhouse/shadenet for capsicum.
The reason is the many mushrooming of polyhouse/shadenet. Will this not cause more supply which will in turn reduce the rates you get for the capsicum.

Thanks,
AS

hey aman,
long time ! whats happening?
i guess too that the size of my second polyhouse (about 70mtr x 70mtr) is big, where as the 2000 sq mtr ph has better ventilation.

are your 1000 sq mtr ph all different? or have you made sections and put blinders/curtains to make the 4000 sq mtr into 4 sections of 1000 sq mtr?

Vivek

Hey Vertical,
greenhouse, i get confused :-[
i am guessing polyhouse. i honestly get confused between greenhouse and polyhouse, anyways.

30 km is far, but close at the same time. water and electricity as you have mentioned is available, so thats out of the scene.

just check on local service/shops for agri related products (fertilizers/pesticides/spareparts etc) also check for local labor availibility. cause there are times when you might need additional labor, in addition to the fixed labor you might/might not plan to have at the setup for 24 hrs.

decent road connectivity is also helpful.

ok thats general. about the cost part. let me share my breakdown, so we can take that as an example to understand and discuss more.

these are for my 4350 sq mtr polyhouse

Fixed expenses / month

  • Labor - Rs 15,000
  • Fertilizers & Pesticides - Rs 15,000
  • Electricity - Rs 630
  • Depreciation - Rs 6,250
  • Bank Intrest - Rs 92,000
  • Surplus - Rs 14,000

Variable expenses

  • Additional Labor - Rs 5,000

these are the average rough costs. so a total of about 1.5 lakh are my monthly expenses. (depreciation, interest, surplus wouldn’t be applicable in your case) so about Rs 45,000 would be the monthly expenses x 12 months = 5,40,000

now about the production part (assuming figures on the lowest side)
plants in 1 acre (4000 sq mtr) = 12500
production / sq mtr = 6 kg
price / kg = Rs 30
total returns = Rs 30 x 24,000 kg = 7,20,000

then there would be packing cost, transportation cost, some spare parts, material for support system, initial bed preparation/basal dose etc, which are important, but minor.

so on and on, there is a net profit of Rs 2,00,000.

i have considered the costs on the higher side, and production on the lowest side. if things are done properly, and the market is decent, the figures look more catchy.

so a simple breakdown can help me prepare and plan, be ready for tomorrow.
there are many small costs which come in the picture only when the process starts, but those are minor, and you can consider them as per your conditions.

about the ideal cost for rent, it depends on your friend. what is his goal, how much can he afford.
if hes willing to be patient or if its a short term return plan, the final discussion has to be made by the management (your friend)

i have shared the costs, so you get an idea about the expenses involved. list them all down. break them into various heads, and work out some production figures. so u’ll be in a better position to decide how much can you afford on rent.
if your friend is comfortable to work on lower margins, then he can afford more on rent.
i hope your getting my point.

i am not happy with my returns cause firstly, i am greedy :stuck_out_tongue:
no really, if things earlier for me would have been like they are now, i wouldnt have had such a huge backlog on my bank loan and running expenses. but had all that been cleared, i am very happy with the returns i am getting. no matter what the market price for my produce is.

there are people who invest and expect to start making profits from first year. nothings wrong. at times it does happen. but then at times it doesnt.
say if your produce is all good and best quality, but the market is low. there isint anything one can do. so the only way is to be patient and look at it in a long term investment.

i hope i could help. Vertical, these all are my opinions. as i earn my bread and butter from this project. and i am very particular about where the money is coming from, and where it is going.
its a business, and it should be treated as one.

Vivek

Evening Mr.AS,
well, infact, couple of days ago only, i was discussing the same thing with a fellow member, Aman.

capsicum projects have started, existing setups are expanding. and i too am worried.
but its for any crop. the best example is tomatoes. in my past 4 years, i have never sold them for more then Rs10/kg. last year, i sold them for Rs2/kg. but this year, the scene was astonishing. i got as much as Rs 58/kg.

market is something which cant be fore-casted. maybe it can, provided one knows the reality about it.
the catch is, its like a lottery. some year, capsicum growers make money, sometimes tomato growers, at times grape growers.
then there are early birds, who introduce a new variety or something new, which is fad, the prices are good, but fall when more people get into it.

so its really tricky to say which crop will give good returns.
i just gave a breakdown about the fixed and variable costs i have in my earlier post. plus profit is something one has to decide on. 1% is also profit, and so is 100%
so what figure are you happy with is the question.

say considering my expenses (real example), if today, all my bank loan is nill, and if i stop considering the surplus a/c. i can afford to sell my produce for Rs 5/kg also, when my plant is only 130 days young. with passing time, the produce will increase, and the Rs 5/kg production cost i have today will be Rs3/kg by the crops life is finished.

so its a choice or a decision the investor has to make. and things can get ugly, i am the biggest example of this. so knowing what you are doing, and how to do it helps, and is the key.

hope i didnt confuse.

Vivek

intrest of Rs 92000 is yearly. plz make the changes accordingly.
sorry for the typo.

Vivek

Thanks Mr.vivek,

In Bangalore market the color capsicum is at Rs 40 per KG on a year contract Fixed basis, Average yield per acre in poly house is around 40 tons which is average for other farmers around . If you calculate at this rate and your plant life cycle of capsicum on your costing It comes to :

Work Force :15000
Nutrient and Pest control :15000
Surplus:14000

Monthly total expense=44000/-

Assuming Capsicum plant life @8 months. and production at 40 tons per acre it works out to

40000*40=16 lacs
and cost 5.28 lac and saplings @ rs 5 per plant and 14000 plant per acre =70000(which is the density of planting proposed in PH in Bangalore by farmers. and for bed preparation 90000/- which comes to a total of 6.88 lac costing per crop and Total gross sale price @16 lac , which mean we can have a 9.12 lac profit /- Rent is coming at 30k per month for a poly house with free power and water. and drip system. which is 2.4 lac per crop rent @8 months calculation .

so per crop profit comes to 6.72 lac.

Am i calculating the right way or i am trying to be generous? effectively 3 crops in 2 years and 10.02 lac profit per year in each acre land.

@ Rs.40 per KG and 40 tons production per acre with 14000 plants.

Kindly correct me if i wrong any where.

my doubt ,Crop rotation is required? or can i plan same way as mentioned above?

But one good news for capsicum growers is that Pizza sale in India is increasing by 35% year on year in the organised sector and no details on the unorganized. This will keep this crop live (capsicum)and profitable for some more years, But as what Vivek says, got to keep eye on more high yield profitable crop varieties to sustain in the market till we create our own market. (which can happen only by producing good quality produce.

hello viks

yes my ph are of 1000 sqmt each, their was a purpose behind it to make it this small.
secondly, their has been lot of activities in my farm recently. will post few pictures today.
i have re-planned my drip and changed my existing setup, i was putting lot of emphasis to good bed preparation, which is almost over for my 1000 sqmt ph, other one is left.
seedlings will be ready in 1 weeks time, will post the pictures today. Do comment about what you think.

what’s up at your end ?

aman

Hair vivek,
Bed preparation work going on.but I have lots of doubts regarding what all materials go into it and the actual procedure in mixing them all and making the final bed. I have planned 20 units ( unit = 100 cubic feet ) of cow+goat+poultry manure. Another 300 kg of enriched organic manure, 200 kg of been cake, and 1 kg of each bacterial cultures. My cost is coming to approx 50,000 including labour. The beds are around 9 inch raised. I remember your beds costing above 5 lakh and in the above calculations, 90,000 was quoted. Let me know what all you did and cost breakup.and is there something important I am missing ? Area 4000 sft.

Narasimha

hello vertical.

figures looks amazing, i am seriously motivated towards capsicum now because 7 lacs from an acre in 8 months is awesome.
But i am little doubtful about the production that you talked about, 40 tons :-X an acre ??

vertical, i hope that your figures match with the practical results but all through the journey i have learnt that nothing comes easy, we need to work real hard to achieve anything. every crop that i have experimented in my ph or even open field did not give me results in its first year instead it taught me the know how of it. every crop has different pattern, different likings, different pests and diseases and it takes time for us to learn.

every crop that i think will give good results, i do not expect returns from it for its first life cycle. instead i learn as much as i can and then earn from it next year.

All the best for your future endeavors and please keep posting some pictures your project, so that we all can share and learn from each other. :slight_smile:

post some pictures of the existing setup that you are willing to rent.

Aman

hello viks and vertical

please discuss about this.

vivek mentioned his produce to be 6 kg per sq mt, i.e. 24 tons in 1 acre.
vertical mentioned expected produce to be 42 tons in 1 acre.

:astonished: :astonished: :astonished: :astonished: :astonished:

:-[ :'(

please clarify.

vivek,

a total of about 1.5 lakh are your monthly expenses, * 12 months = 18 lakhs is your expense for a year.

quoting vivek, “now about the production part (assuming figures on the lowest side)
plants in 1 acre (4000 sq mtr) = 12500
production / sq mtr = 6 kg
price / kg = Rs 30
total returns = Rs 30 x 24,000 kg = 7,20,000”

aren’t the figures going in ‘minus’ side ??? :'( :-\

AMAN

Aman,

Kindly check Mr.Vivek’s repost on correction of Interest rate 92000 per month was a error and he is said calculate with 92000 per year.

He is calculated at very conservative ratio and price at average of Rs.30 per KG that’s because market rate differs depending on the local market demand.

He is calculated at 12500 plants per acre and i have calculated at 14k plants .

Hello vertical

But still the difference of 1500 plants cannot make the produce go upto 42 tonns from 24 tons directly

Aman

here are people in market talking about 100 tons a acre, I have calculated only 2.85 kg per plant production versus 5 kg international standards. Which is very much a easy target.
Mr.Vivek is the right person to comment on the achievable yield or some one from real farm exp