Generating power with the help of bullocks! - Hyderabad - LIVE DEMO TODAY

Hello All,
This article is about a man who has developed power generator using bull power which can also run a 5hp motor. Sometime back someone asked about such a solution.

This is currently displayed in exhibition grounds, Hyderabad. Today is LAST DAY (21-oct-2014). If someone wants to visit they can for a LIVE DEMO.

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–Yugandhar


The numbers being claimed sound very good just with 4 hours of bullock run. Did anyone manage to visit?

Too good to be true, in fact. Highly doubtful that you will get 9 KW continuous, out of this. Still it’s interesting and worth exploring.

Looks like this is based on alternator, something similar to windmills or steam turbines where the rotating blades produce kinetic energy that gets converted into electrical energy, only difference here being instead of rotating wind blades we have rotating cows!!

Innovative concept, I should admit!

But,

The power generation typically in windmills would primarily depend on Speed of wind blades revolutions…

Meaning in this case, wouldnt the power generation be based on speed at which the cows mow,with fatigue taken into consideration?

Also 9kwh in 4 hrs is very much possible by having a 2.5kw alternator, that would generate 9kwh in 4 hrs when input rpm matches the rated alternator rpm continuously…

Have emailed the company for details, would post once I am responded.

Regards,

The report said: “a farmer can generate 9.33 units per hour”

Should be a 10Kva alternator then… Would find out when I get the spec of the machine that the company proposes to offer at 2 lakhs :slight_smile:

hello,
please anyone can help me in getting his contact number/email

rgds
mhkhan

+914040276919 Mr Jagdish

Company name is M/s Maddox infrastructure pvt ltd located at Hyderabad

Regards

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Saravana Sir, did you get the required details from the company?

Regards
Yugandhar

No Yugandhar not yet. They are yet to get back and I haven’t  been able to get hold of the concerned person for technical clarifications as well.

Irrespective of their technology I strongly believe this can be achieved using alternator.

Would try if I get any farmer having cows that are used to squeeze oil or similar application etc

Hi Saravana,

Just wanted to know,did you managed to get the specification of alternator and RPM details?

Regards,
Venkat

No Venkat. I have not heard from these guys.

But did try to contact few alternator manufacturer’s to develop a turn key generator though. Here are my observations;

A)99.9% yes you read correct, 99.9% offer a motor and call it as a alternator.

Ideally an alternator should generate the required electrical power when the shaft gets mechanical rotated even in as less RPM as 50, but what trust me one company offered me a 1440rpm industrial motor and claimed that to be an alternator.

I lol, when I imagine the cows running at 1440rpm :stuck_out_tongue:

B)I did come across few genuine alternator mfs, who typically manufacture for wind turbines. But cost was too high.

I remember one quoting as high as Rs.4 lakhs for a 3 phase 415V 5Hp alternator.

But for now, we have stopped further and  focusing on the concepts of dye solar cells & peltier generators.

Fingers crossed. But shall update the forum once we achieve something worth mentioning .

Regards,

Hi Sarvana,

Let me introduce my self,i am currently working as software architect in reputed company in banglore. This thread rekindled my forgotten mechanical background.

Now i want to build this setting my self, this my idea.

  1. Using worm gear setup for converting vertical axis RPM to horizontal Axis .
  2. i am come from a place where custom generator and alternators are build.Hopefully i am should find 10Kva / 5 Kva alternator.
  3. Get the average alternator  specs from the guy who builds it
  4. Get the RPM from traditional bullock driven oil mills
  5. Based on above two RPM’s select the right step up gear and pinion setup.To step up the RPM from from main shaft to alternator shaft.

Input & Suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
Venkat

Definitely agree.Right way to go Venkat!

You can yes use worm gear head, but not to convert vertical axis rpm to horizontal axis as this can be managed by mechanically mounting the rotating alternator shaft at 90 deg WRT to ground . But I recommend worm gear to reduce the rotational speed.
Thread should be based on the reduction ratio desired.
Also,
Worm shaft needs to be horizontal and alternator shaft needs to be vertical. 

My suggestion would be, identify the least reduction ratio design thereby you limit the coefficient of friction and eliminating the output driving the input issues.

To start with you might want to hunt for a lowest possible RPM alternator you can get your hands on or as you pointed see if you can get it locally done.

Regards,

Thanks for the inputs,Mounting the alternator 90 degrees WRT ground is very good idea.

I am really clue less on alternator part .Doesn’t that Lower RPM alternator means lower power output??

What i am looking at is, running an agriculture bore well,with basic house appliances.what should be output i am looking at??

Regards,
venkat

No lower rpm means not lower throughput. Ideally we need a min rpm machine that can generate the desired power at the output.

Example: Its better if an alternator can generate 5hp @ 50 rpm rather than requiring 500rpm for the same required power…

Also, to size the alternator you need to first determine what is the max load current per phase. Your alternator should be able to supply this peak load current.

Alternators should also have inbuilt or external built IC regulators to stabilize the varying powers.

My idea is like how I have marked in the attached file.

Hope this helps!

Regards,

P.S: My email ID is in my signature, I guess we better not annoy the forumers here :slight_smile:
Alternator Model.pdf (6.27 KB)

Thanks for the basic markup,will get in touch with you on email for further inputs.

Thanks,
Venkat

Please continue discussions I am enjoying it. It is tickling my engineering brain.

I think you require the following gears to convert your rotation direction.  The RPM is required in rotar to get the frequncy or HZ  per second.  All the electricity produced in India is 50 cylcle frequency and all the equipments produced here are to run at 50 cycle current.

By reducing the RPM your HZ will reduce and you have to use this electricity with the appliances made to match the same Hz

  1. Bevel/Miter Gear-Intersecting but coplanar shafts connected by gears are called bevel gears. This arrangement is known as bevel gearing. Straight bevel gears can be used on shafts at any angle, but right angle is the most common. Bevel Gears have conical blanks. The teeth of straight bevel gears are tapered in both thickness and tooth height.

Spiral Bevel gears: In these Spiral Bevel gears, the teeth are oblique. Spiral Bevel gears are quieter and can take up more load as compared to straight bevel gears.

Zero Bevel gear: Zero Bevel gears are similar to straight bevel gears, but their teeth are curved lengthwise. These curved teeth of zero bevel gears are arranged in a manner that the effective spiral angle is zero.

  1. This is chart showing frequency of electricity produced world wide.

Continent/Country Voltage Frequency
North America
Canada 120 V 60 HZ USA
United States 120 V 60 HZ USA
Mexico 120 V (127V) 60 HZ USA
Central America
Bahamas 115 V 60 HZ USA,UK
Barbados 115 V 50 HZ USA
Belize 110-220 V 60 HZ USA
Bermuda 115 V 60 HZ USA
Costa Rica 120 V 60 HZ USA
Cuba 115-120 V 60 HZ USA
Dominican Republic 110-220 V 60 HZ USA
El Salvador 120-240 V 60 HZ USA
Guatemala 115-230 V 60 HZ USA
Haiti 110-220 V 60 HZ USA
Honduras 110-220 V 60 HZ USA
Jamaica 220 V 50 HZ USA,UK
Netherland Antilles 110-127 V 50 HZ Europe, USA
Netherland Antilles
Dutch side of Saint Martin (Sint Maartin) 110V 60Hz USA
Netherland Antilles
(French side of Saint Martin) 220V 60Hz French
Netherlands Antllles
Curacao 110V
220V 50Hz USA
Europe
Nicaragua 120 V 60 HZ USA
Panama 120 V 60 HZ USA
Puerto Rico 120 V 60 HZ USA
Trinidad & Tobago 115-230 V 60 HZ USA, UK
Virgin Islands 120 V 60 HZ USA
Europe
Note, the European Commission bureaucrats have mandated that all EU countries standardize to 230V -10% +6% (i.e. 207.0 V-243.8 V). Since this fits all of the old voltages listed below you can probably expect the following voltages to still apply.
Albania 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Austria 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Belgium 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Belarus 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Bulgaria 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Croatia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Czech Republic 120-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Denmark 230 V 50 HZ Europe, Denmark
Estonia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Finland 230 V 50 HZ Europe
France 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Germany 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Greece 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Hungary 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Iceland 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Ireland 220 V 50 HZ Europe, UK
Italy 230 V 50 HZ Europe, Italy
Latvia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Lithuania 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Luxembourg 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Moldavia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Netherlands 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Norway 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Poland 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Portugal 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Romania 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Russia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Slovakia 120-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Slovenia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Spain 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Sweden 230 V 50 HZ Europe
Switzerland 230 V 50 HZ Swiss
Ukraine 220 V 50 HZ Europe
United Kingdom 240 V 50 HZ UK
Yugoslavia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Africa
Algeria 127-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Angola 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Benin 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Botswana 220 V 50 HZ UK
Burkina Faso 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Burundi 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Cameroon 127-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Central Africa Rep. 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Chad 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Congo 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Dahomey 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Egypt 220 V 50 HZ Europe, UK
Ethiopia 220 V 50 HZ Europe, Italy
Gabon 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Gambia 230 V 50 HZ UK
Ghana 240 V 50 HZ UK
Ivory Coast 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Kenya 240 V 50 HZ UK
Lesotho 230 V 60 HZ UK
Liberia 120 V 60 HZ Europe, USA
Libya 115-220 V 50 HZ Europe, USA, UK
Malawi 230 V 50 HZ UK
Mali 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Mauritania 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Mauritius 230 V 50 HZ UK
Morocco 127-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Mozambique 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Namibia (Nambia) 220 V 50 HZ South Africa
Niger 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Nigeria 230 V 50 HZ UK
Rwanda 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Senegal 110 V 50 HZ Europe
Sierra Leone 230 V 50 HZ UK
Somalia 220 V 50 HZ Europe
South Africa 220-240 V 50 HZ South Africa
Sudan 240V 50 HZ UK
Swaziland 220 V 50 HZ UK
Tanzania 230 V 50 HZ UK
Togo 127-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Tunisia 127-220 V 50 HZ Europe
Uganda 240 V 50 HZ UK
Zaire 220 V 50 HZ Europe
Zambia 220 V 50 HZ UK
Zimbabwe 220 V 50 HZ UK
South America
Argentina 230 V 50 HZ Europe, Australia
Bolivia 110 V 50 HZ USA
Brazil 110-127-220 V 60 HZ Europe, USA
Chile 220 V 50 HZ Europe, Italy
Colombia 110-220 V 50 HZ USA
Ecuador 110-220 V 60 HZ Europe, USA

1)Yes bivel gears would help you achieve shaft’s positioning and alignment. Worm gear again at the alternator shaft would help you control the rotational speed. Attached gear model for reference.

2)No RPM is not proportional to the frequency. The frequency of the voltage curve generated by the magnetic field across the stator core would be depending on the coil winding. For a X rpm rated alternator, we could generate 415V @ 50Hz 3 phase, 230V @ 60Hz single phase, 110V @ 60hz single phase, 440V @ 50hz, 440V @ 60 hz and the combinations are innumerable.

One thing we need to ensure is that alternator output meets Indian electric standard - 415V 50Hz for a 3phase 4 wire system and 230V 50Hz for a 2 wire 1ph system. No worries as I dont expect any Indian alternator manufacturer to deviate these norms.

Regards,

Saravana